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Let's consider the | Let's consider the builds Rapier and Slicing Winds. | ||
The difference between their timings of completing the {{ItemIcon|Ancient Claw|claw}} is | The difference between their timings of completing the {{ItemIcon|Ancient Claw|claw}} is 19 hours. | ||
The Volcano grind of the full {{ItemIcon|(G) Ancient Helmet|ancient}} set is longer with the with {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier}} than it is with the Claw. | The Volcano grind of the full {{ItemIcon|(G) Ancient Helmet|ancient}} set is longer with the with {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier}} than it is with the Claw. | ||
The question is then if the difference between the {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier|rapier}} and the {{ItemIcon|Ancient Claw|claw}} in the Volcanic grind is bigger than | The question is then if the difference between the {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier|rapier}} and the {{ItemIcon|Ancient Claw|claw}} in the Volcanic grind is bigger than 19 hours. | ||
We know the length of "Raper > Claw" and "Volcano > Claw", but we need the data on "Rapier > Volcano" and "Claw > Volcano". | We know the length of "Raper > Claw" and "Volcano > Claw", but we need the data on "Rapier > Volcano" and "Claw > Volcano". | ||
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! Item | ! Item | ||
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! 564 clears (h) | ! 564 clears (h) | ||
! 832 clears (h) | ! 832 clears (h) | ||
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| {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier}} | | {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier}} | ||
| | | 5.204 | ||
| | | 108.4 | ||
| | | 160 | ||
| | | 259.4 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| {{ItemIcon|Ancient Claw}} | | {{ItemIcon|Ancient Claw}} | ||
| | | 5.412 | ||
| | | 104.2 | ||
| | | 153.7 | ||
| | | 249.5 | ||
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| Difference (h) | | Difference (h) | ||
| | | | ||
| | | 4.2 | ||
| | | 6.3 | ||
| | | 10.1 | ||
|} | |} | ||
All differences are smaller than 19 hours. | |||
That means if you farm the Volcanic Cave completely with the {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier}} and then farm the Claw with Ancient Magick, the sum of the Volcanic and Claw farm will be larger than if you were to farm the Claw with the Rapier and then doing the Volcanic Cave. | |||
However, what if we were to use the [[Ancient Magicks]] as soon as we unlock it? | However, what if we were to use the [[Ancient Magicks]] as soon as we unlock it? | ||
Revision as of 22:06, 3 January 2022
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TL;DR
Farm the Ancient Claw with the
build right after you finish
100.
Introduction
Ancient Claw is largely the best melee weapon that does not require late-game content to obtain.
The Ancient Claw is assembled from the 
fragments that drop only from the 
Pegasus. You need to kill 3333 Pegasi on average to get enough fragments.
The question is when to farm it and what combat style is the best for that. The main point of contention is whether to farm it before or after the
because this dungeon is farmed with a Melee build and is vital for idling the
.
To answer these questions, we will consider the following builds:
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Rapier melee,- Error creating thumbnail: File missingSlicing Winds magic,
Glacia magic.
These builds were chosen to show the changes that the various drops bring into farming the Pegasus. The ranged builds were not considered because the Pegasus is
and has the highest evasion against
in addition to the Combat Triangle.
In the considered situations, no prayers, potions, or other buffs are enabled unless specified.
The skill levels are given so that you can replicate the simulations in the Combat Simulator.
The
is used.
The 
Whale (Perfect) was used as a food of choice because it was considered a middle ground between starting out and being fully leveled out in Firemaking, Fishing, Farming, and Cooking.
The ring slot is always occupied with 
Magical Ring.
Builds
The simulations were done for
with all skills on level 75.
All intermediate steps can be found in this spreadsheet (link).
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| Item | DR |
|---|---|
 Slayer Wizard Hat (Strong)
|
0% |
 Slayer Wizard Robes (Strong)
|
0% |
 Fire Expert Wizard Bottoms
|
5% |
 Fire Expert Wizard Boots
|
5% |
 Miolite Shield
|
2% |
 Enchanted Cape
|
0% |
 Amulet of Magic
|
0% |
 Paladin Gloves
|
4% |
 Magic Wand (Powerful)
|
0% |
| Total | 16% |
The grind time with this build is 141 hour.
However, pay attention that it would be more than 331 hours without the Slayer gear.
Rapier melee
| Item | DR |
|---|---|
 Slayer Helmet (Strong)
|
0% |
 Slayer Platebody (Strong)
|
0% |
 (G) Dragon Platelegs
|
6% |
 (G) Dragon Boots
|
6% |
 (G) Dragon Shield
|
6% |
 Promotion or  Glory
|
0% |
| Paladin Gloves
|
4% |
| Sunset Rapier
|
0% |
| Total | 22% |
The grind time with this build is 67 hours.
If you don't use the Slayer gear, the grind time with this build will be 142 hours.
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| Item | DR |
|---|---|
 Ancient Wizard Hat
|
5% |
 Ancient Wizard Robes
|
5% |
 Ancient Wizard Bottoms
|
5% |
 Ancient Wizard Boots
|
5% |
| Miolite Shield
|
2% |
| Enchanted Cape
|
0% |
 Elite Amulet of Magic
|
2% |
 Elementalist Gloves
|
0% |
| Magic Wand (Powerful)
|
0% |
| Total | 24% |
You need
for this build.
With the following setup, you should have a bit more than 20k accuracy on
, which means they won't miss at all.
Warning: Swapping Miolite Shield to 
Book of Eli will only increase the clear time because your melee defence would plummet, resulting in much more food eaten.
Overall, you want to put as much DR and Melee defence as possible when maintaining the 20k accuracy.
For instance, if you have higher
, you might be able to swap Enchanted Cape with 
Fire Cape and reduce the food consumption even further.
The grind time with this build is 48 hours. The slayer gear doesn't add to the clear speed in this case.
Glacia magic
| Item | DR |
|---|---|
| Glacia God Helmet
|
8% |
 Glacia God Platebody
|
8% |
 Glacia God Platelegs
|
8% |
 Glacia God Boots
|
8% |
 Glacia God Gloves
|
8% |
| Miolite Shield
|
2% |
 Infernal Cape
|
4% |
| Elite Amulet of Magic
|
2% |
| Magic Wand (Powerful)
|
0% |
| Total | 48% |
The grind time with this build is 44 hours.
However, this build implies that you go through the
with Sunset Rapier, which is a sizeable loss of DPS that will cost you more than 4 hours of the difference between this build and the Slicing Winds build.
Analysis
Essentially, we want to know which of two sequences is faster:
- Rapier > Claw > Volcano,
- Rapier > Volcano > Claw.
Full-Sunset Volcano vs Full-Claw Volcano
Let's consider the builds Rapier and Slicing Winds.
The difference between their timings of completing the claw is 19 hours.
The Volcano grind of the full 
ancient set is longer with the with Sunset Rapier than it is with the Claw.
The question is then if the difference between the rapier and the claw in the Volcanic grind is bigger than 19 hours.
We know the length of "Raper > Claw" and "Volcano > Claw", but we need the data on "Rapier > Volcano" and "Claw > Volcano".
We take this data from Volcanic Cave/Guide#Weapon choice.
| Item | Adjusted clears per hour |
|---|---|
| Sunset Rapier
|
5.204 |
| Ancient Claw
|
5.412 |
The goal of clearing the
is to get the ancient set.
As specified on in the Volcanic Cave/Guide, you need 1350 clears to almost certainly get a full set of Ancient armor or 832 clears to have a 75% chance. The median (50% or results) is 564 clears.
| Item | Adjusted clears per hour | 564 clears (h) | 832 clears (h) | 1350 clears (h) |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sunset Rapier
|
5.204 | 108.4 | 160 | 259.4 |
| Ancient Claw
|
5.412 | 104.2 | 153.7 | 249.5 |
| Difference (h) | 4.2 | 6.3 | 10.1 |
All differences are smaller than 19 hours.
That means if you farm the Volcanic Cave completely with the Sunset Rapier and then farm the Claw with Ancient Magick, the sum of the Volcanic and Claw farm will be larger than if you were to farm the Claw with the Rapier and then doing the Volcanic Cave.
However, what if we were to use the Ancient Magicks as soon as we unlock it?
Sunset/Ancient Volcano vs Claw/Ancient Volcano
It is possible to clear the Volcano using the Ancient Magicks with the build from Volcanic Cave/Guide#100-Volcanoes Magic. Pay attention that you need 37% DR with
920to idle it. That amount of DR is reached either through the
prayer or through the 
DR potion II.
If we consider that we clear only 100 Volcanoes as a melee build and the rest as the 100-Volcanoes Magic build, then we compare the two sequences:
- Claw farm with Rapier + 100 Claw Volcanoes,
- 100 Rapier Volcanoes + Claw farm with Ancient Magicks.
| Item | Adjusted clear time (clears/h) | 100 clears (h) |
|---|---|---|
| Sunset Rapier
|
1.9027 | 52.56 |
| Ancient Claw
|
2.0967 | 47.69 |
| Difference (h) | 4.87 | |
In other words, the advantage of farming 100 Volcanic Caves with the Claw when compared to the Sunset Rapier is less than 5 hours.
If we consider the rearranged sum of what we compare
- Claw farm with Rapier + 100 Claw Volcanoes,
- Claw farm with Ancient Magicks + 100 Rapier Volcanoes.
and then subtract the second row from the first one, then we would get
[math]\displaystyle{ 17 - 4.87 = 12.13 }[/math]
In other words the sequence where we farm the Claw after the Volcano is faster than the sequence of farming the claw with Rapier by 12 hours.
Conclusion
Farm the Ancient Claw with the
Ancient Magicks build right after you finish
100.
If you cannot get the Ancient Magick build for some reason, then use the Rapier melee build with Slayer gear.
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