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===Introduction===
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{{ItemIcon|Ancient Claw}} is largely the best melee weapon that does not require late-game content to obtain.
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The Ancient Claw is assembled from the {{ItemIcon|Ancient Claw Fragment|fragments}} that drop only from the {{Icon|Pegasus|type=monster}}. You need to kill 3333 {{MonsterIcon|Pegasus|Pegasi}} on average to get enough fragments.
==Introduction==
{{ItemIcon|Ancient Claw}} is a melee weapon that does not require late-basegame content to obtain. It is also a component for {{ItemIcon|Infernal Claw}}.


The question is when to farm it and what combat style is the best for that. The main point of contention is whether to farm it before or after the {{ZoneIcon|Volcanic Cave}} because this dungeon is farmed with a Melee build and is vital for idling the {{ZoneIcon|Air God Dungeon}}.
The Ancient Claw is assembled from the {{ItemIcon|Ancient Claw Fragment|fragments}} that drop only from {{MonsterIcon|Pegasus}}. On average, {{formatnum:3333}} {{MonsterIcon|Pegasus|Pegasi}} kills are required in order to obtain enough fragments.


To answer these questions, we will consider the following builds:
The question is when to farm it and what combat style is the best for that. The main point of contention is whether to farm it before or after the {{ZoneIcon|Volcanic Cave}}, as this dungeon is farmed with a {{Icon|Melee}} build and is vital for idling the {{ZoneIcon|Air God Dungeon}}.
* Starter {{ItemIcon|Fire Expert Wizard Hat|runecrafting}} magic,
* {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier}} melee,
* Ancient Magick,
* Ancient Magick in {{ItemIcon|Glacia God Helmet|Glacia}}.


These builds were chosen to show the changes that the various drops bring into farming the Pegasus. The ranged builds were not considered because the {{Icon|Pegasus|type=monster}} is {{Icon|Melee}} and has the highest evasion against {{Skill|Ranged}} in addition to the [[Combat Triangle]].
To answer these questions, the following builds will be considered:
* {{Icon|Fire Wave|type=spell|Wave}} magic,
* {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier|Rapier}} melee,
* {{Icon|Slicing Winds|type=spell}} magic,
* {{ItemIcon|Glacia God Helmet|Glacia}} magic.


In the considered situations, no prayers, potions, or other buffs are enabled unless specified. <br>
These builds were chosen to show the changes that the various drops bring into farming Pegasus. {{Skill|Ranged}} builds were not considered because the {{MonsterIcon|Pegasus}} is {{Icon|Melee}} and has the highest evasion against Ranged in addition to the [[Combat Triangle]].
The skill levels are given so that you can replicate the simulations in the [[Combat Simulator]]. <br>
The {{UpgradeIcon|Auto Eat - Tier III}} is used. <br>
The {{ItemIcon|Whale (Perfect)}} was used as a food of choice because it was considered a middle ground between starting out and being fully leveled out in Firemaking, Fishing, Farming, and Cooking.


The ring slot is always occupied with {{ItemIcon|Magical Ring}}.
==Builds==
Each build assumes the following:
* The ring slot is always occupied with {{ItemIcon|Magical Ring}}.
* {{UpgradeIcon|Auto Eat - Tier III}} is used.
* {{ItemIcon|Whale (Perfect)}} is used as the [[Food]] of choice because it is considered a middle ground between starting out and being fully levelled in {{Skill|Firemaking}}, {{Skill|Fishing}}, {{Skill|Farming}}, and {{Skill|Cooking}}.
* The character is on the {{Icon|Hardcore}} game mode with all [[Combat]] skills at level 60. This means all builds presented here are suitable regardless of the game mode being played.


===Builds===
Skill levels are given so that these simulations may be replicated using the [[Combat Simulator]] add-in.
====Starter magic====


{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Item
! DR
|-
| {{ItemIcon|Fire Expert Wizard Hat}}
| 5%
|-
| {{ItemIcon|Fire Expert Wizard Robes}}
| 5%
|-
| {{ItemIcon|Fire Expert Wizard Bottoms}}
| 5%
|-
| {{ItemIcon|Fire Expert Wizard Boots}}
| 5%
|-
| {{ItemIcon|Miolite Shield}}
| 2%
|-
| {{ItemIcon|Enchanted Cape}}
| 0%
|-
| {{ItemIcon|Amulet of Magic}}
| 0%
|-
| {{ItemIcon|Paladin Gloves}}
| 4%
|-
| {{ItemIcon|Magic Wand (Powerful)}}
| 0%
|-
| Total
| 26%
|}


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===Fire Wave Magic===
{{Icon|Fire Surge|type=spell}} is used with Combination Runes. All skills are at level 75.
Combat stats around level 60.
{{Equipment/Recommended
|style=Magic
|showDR=true
|helm1=Slayer Wizard Hat (Strong)
|neck1=Amulet of Magic
|cape1=Enchanted Cape
|ring1=Magical Ring
|body1=Slayer Wizard Robes (Strong)
|legs1=Fire Expert Wizard Bottoms
|shield1=Miolite Shield
|gloves1=Paladin Gloves
|boots1=Fire Expert Wizard Boots
|weapon1=Magic Wand (Powerful)
}}


The [[Combat Simulator|simulation]] results are:  
Spell: {{Icon|Fire Wave|type=spell}} <br>
* 1358 {{ItemIcon|Ancient Rune|Ancient runes}} spent,
Prayers: {{Icon|Mystic Lore|type=prayer}} and {{Icon|Mystic Might|type=prayer}} <br>
* 151.9 {{ItemIcon|Whale (Perfect)|whales}} per hour,
Point of Interest: {{POIIcon|The Academia Arcanum}}
* 23 Pegasi per hour.


<math>T_c = 151.9 * 18.875 = 2867</math>
The average time to obtain all {{ItemIcon|Ancient Claw Fragment|Ancient Claw Fragments|qty=100}} with this build is approximately 30 hours. However, note that without Slayer gear this increases to 33 hours.


<math>T_m = (N * 7 * (1 + 2/16 + 2/16) / 16 + N / 16) * 1.3 = N / 16 * (8.75 + 1) * 1.3 = N * 12.675 / 16</math>
===Sunset Rapier Melee===
Combat stats around level 70.
{{Equipment/Recommended
|style=Melee
|showDR=true
|helm1=Slayer Helmet (Strong)
|neck1=!{{ItemIcon|Amulet of Calculated Promotion|Promotion}} or {{ItemIcon|Amulet of Glory|Glory}}
|ring1=Magical Ring
|cape1 = Fire Cape
|body1=Slayer Platebody (Strong)
|legs1=(G) Dragon Platelegs
|shield1=(G) Dragon Shield
|gloves1=Paladin Gloves
|boots1=(G) Dragon Boots
|weapon1=Sunset Rapier
}}


<math>T_r = N * 9.75 * 2 / 16 = N * 9.75 / 8</math>
Prayers: {{Icon|Chivalry|type=prayer}} and {{Icon|Incredible Reflexes|type=prayer}} <br>
Point of Interest: {{POIIcon|Dark Waters}}


<math>N = 1358</math>
The grind time with this build is approximately 24 hours. Without Slayer gear, this time increases to 26 hours.


<math>T_m = 1358 * 12.675 / 16 = 1076</math>
===Slicing Winds Magic===
Combat stats around level 75.
{{Equipment/Recommended
|style=Magic
|showDR=true
|helm1=Ancient Wizard Hat
|neck1=Elite Amulet of Magic
|cape1=Skull Cape
|ring1=Magical Ring
|body1=Ancient Wizard Robes
|legs1=Ancient Wizard Bottoms
|shield1=Miolite Shield
|gloves1=Elementalist Gloves
|boots1=Ancient Wizard Boots
|weapon1=Magic Wand (Powerful)
}}


<math>T_r = 1358 * 9.75 / 8 = 1655</math>
Spell: {{Icon|Slicing Winds|type=spell}} <br>
Aurora: {{Icon|Surge II|type=aurora}} <br>
Prayers: {{Icon|Mystic Might|type=prayer}} and {{Icon|Mystic Mastery|type=prayer}}<br>
Point of Interest: {{POIIcon|The Academia Arcanum}}


The adjusted time <math>A_{start} = T_{all} / D_h = (3600 + 2867 + 1076 + 1655) / 23 = 400</math>
Reaching at least 20,000 accuracy is key for this build, as this prevents {{Icon|Slicing Winds|type=spell}} from missing. Therefore, while the build only requires a minimum of {{SkillReq|Magic|72}}, and at most {{SkillReq|Magic|93}} or multiple accuracy bonuses from sources such as:
* {{ItemIcon|Magic Assistance Potion|Magic Assistance Potions}}
* {{Skill|Astrology}}
* {{Skill|Prayer}}
* {{Skill|Agility}}


In other words, the time that is required to get all resources for killing one Pegasus and to actually kill it is 400 seconds.
Worth noting that using a {{ItemIcon|Mystic Air Staff}} will ''drastically'' reduce the amount of runes spent - especially while using Surge Auroras. The staff will be slower, and will require more [[Food]] due to the player taking a greater number of hits.


The overall time to get all resources and kill all Pegasi is <math>400 * 3333 / 3600 = 371 \text{ hours}.</math>
'''Warning:''' Swapping {{ItemIcon|Miolite Shield}} for {{ItemIcon|Book of Eli}} will not significantly reduce kill times, while also forcing you to spend more runes and therefore more time Runecrafting.  


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The grind time with this build is approximately 11 hours. Slayer equipment has no impact on the clear speed in this case.


The overall time to get all resources and kill all Pegasi is 371 hours.
===Glacia Magic===
Combat stats around level 85.
{{Equipment/Recommended
|style=Magic
|showDR=true
|helm1=Glacia God Helmet
|neck1=Elite Amulet of Magic
|cape1=Infernal Cape
|ring1=Magical Ring
|body1=Glacia God Platebody
|legs1=Glacia God Platelegs
|gloves1=Glacia God Gloves
|boots1=Glacia God Boots
|weapon1=Cloudburst Staff
|consumable1 = Magic Hinder Scroll
}}


====Sunset Rapier melee====
Spell: {{Icon|Water Surge|type=spell}} <br>
Curse: {{Icon|Anguish III|type=curse}} <br>
Aurora: {{Icon|Surge II|type=aurora}} <br>
Prayers: {{Icon|Mystic Might|type=prayer}} and {{Icon|Mystic Mastery|type=prayer}}<br>
Point of Interest: {{POIIcon|The Academia Arcanum}}


{| class="wikitable"
Summons: {{ItemIcon|Dragon}} and {{ItemIcon|Witch}} Increase the kills per hour by about 1, shortening your grind by 20 minutes if you have {{ItemIcon|Dragon}} unlocked.
|-
! Item
! DR
|-
| {{ItemIcon|Slayer Helmet (Strong)}}
| 6%
|-
| {{ItemIcon|Slayer Platebody (Strong)}}
| 6%
|-
| {{ItemIcon|(G) Dragon Platelegs}}
| 6%
|-
| {{ItemIcon|(G) Dragon Boots}}
| 6%
|-
| {{ItemIcon|(G) Dragon Shield}}
| 6%
|-
| {{ItemIcon|Amulet of Calculated Promotion|Promotion}} or {{ItemIcon|Amulet of Glory|Glory}}
| 0%
|-
| {{ItemIcon|Paladin Gloves}}
| 4%
|-
| {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier}}
| 0%
|-
| Total
| 34%
|}
{{SpoilerBox|text=
All skills are at level 75.


The simulation results are:
The grind time with this build is approximately 5.5 hours.
* 49.4 {{ItemIcon|Whale (Perfect)|whales}} per hour,
* 61.6 Pegasi per hour.


<math>T_c = 49.4 * 18.875 = 932.4</math>
However, this build implies that the {{ZoneIcon|Air God Dungeon}} would need to be cleared with {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier}}.


The adjusted time <math>A_{ship} = (3600 + 932.4) / 61.6 = 73.6</math>


The overall time is <math>73.6 * 3333 / 3600 = 68 \text{ hours}.</math>
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|title=Details|color=default}}
 
The overall grind time with this build is 68 hours. However, pay attention that if you don't use the Slayer gear, the overall time with this build will be 148 hours.
 
====Ancient Magick====
 
{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Item
! DR
|-
| {{ItemIcon|Ancient Wizard Hat}}
| 5%
|-
| {{ItemIcon|Ancient Wizard Robes}}
| 5%
|-
| {{ItemIcon|Ancient Wizard Bottoms}}
| 5%
|-
| {{ItemIcon|Ancient Wizard Boots}}
| 5%
|-
| {{ItemIcon|Miolite Shield}}
| 2%
|-
| {{ItemIcon|Enchanted Cape}}
| 0%
|-
| {{ItemIcon|Elite Amulet of Magic}}
| 2%
|-
| {{ItemIcon|Elementalist Gloves}}
| 0%
|-
| {{ItemIcon|Magic Wand (Powerful)}}
| 0%
|-
| Total
| 24%
|}
{{SpoilerBox|text=
All skills are at level 75 except {{SkillReq|Magic|91}}. With the following setup, you should have exactly 20k accuracy on {{Icon|Slicing Winds|type=spell}}, they cannot miss now.
 
The simulation results with the {{ItemIcon|Miolite Shield}} are:
* 4905 {{ItemIcon|Ancient Rune|Ancient runes}} spent,
* 107.9 {{ItemIcon|Whale (Perfect)|whales}} per hour,
* 196.2 Pegasi per hour.
 
<math>T_c = 107.9 * 18.875 = 2037</math>
 
<math>T_m = (N * 20 + N) / 16 * 1.3 = N * 21 / 16 * 1.3 = N * 27.3 / 16</math>
 
<math>T_r = N * 21 * 2 / 16 = N * 21 / 8</math>
 
<math>N = 4905</math>
 
<math>T_m = 4905 * 27.3 / 16 = 8370</math>
 
<math>T_r = 4905 * 21 / 8 = 12876</math>
 
The adjusted time <math>A_{volcano} = T_{all} / D_h = (3600 + 2037 + 8370 + 12876) / 196.2 = 137</math>
 
The overall time is <math>137 * 3333 / 3600 = 127 \text{ hours}.</math>
 
 
 
If you swap from {{ItemIcon|Miolite Shield}} to {{ItemIcon|Book of Eli}}, it will only increase the clear time because your melee defence would plummet, resulting in many more Whales eaten.
 
The simulation results with {{ItemIcon|Book of Eli|Eli}} are:
* 4905 {{ItemIcon|Ancient Rune|Ancient runes}} spent,
* 172.4 {{ItemIcon|Whale (Perfect)|whales}} per hour,
* 196.2 Pegasi per hour.
 
<math>T_c = 172.4 * 18.875 = 3254</math>
 
<math>T_m = 8370</math>. <math>T_r = 12876</math>
 
The adjusted time <math>A_{eli} = T_{all} / D_h = (3600 + 3254 + 8370 + 12876) / 196.2 = 143.2</math>
 
The overall time is <math>143.2 * 3333 / 3600 = 133 \text{ hours}.</math>
|title=Details|color=default}}
 
The overall grind time with this build is 127 hours.
 
 
Overall, you want to put as much DR and Melee defence as possible when maintaining the 20k accuracy.
 
For instance, if you have {{SkillReq|Magic|93}} with the build above, you can swap {{ItemIcon|Enchanted Cape}} with {{ItemIcon|Fire Cape}} and reduce the food consumption even further.
 
The rune mining and crafting take the bulk of the time, so you might want to use all preservation and doubling bonuses that you have.
 
====Ancient Magick in Glacia====
 
{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Item
! DR
|-
| {{ItemIcon|Glacia God Helmet}}
| 8%
|-
| {{ItemIcon|Glacia God Platebody}}
| 8%
|-
| {{ItemIcon|Glacia God Platelegs}}
| 8%
|-
| {{ItemIcon|Glacia God Boots}}
| 8%
|-
| {{ItemIcon|Glacia God Gloves}}
| 8%
|-
| {{ItemIcon|Miolite Shield}}
| 2%
|-
| {{ItemIcon|Infernal Cape}}
| 4%
|-
| {{ItemIcon|Elite Amulet of Magic}}
| 2%
|-
| {{ItemIcon|Magic Wand (Powerful)}}
| 0%
|-
| Total
| 48%
|}
{{SpoilerBox|text=
The levels are the same as in the Volcanic build. Due to Ancient Magic not benefiting from gear, the build was aimed to cram as much DR and melee evasion as possible. If you have {{SkillReq|Magic|95}}, you should be able to swap for {{ItemIcon|Elite Amulet of Defence}} while still having the required 20k accuracy.
 
{{Icon|Slicing Winds|type=spell}} are used.
 
The simulation results are:
* 4905 {{ItemIcon|Ancient Rune|Ancient runes}} spent,
* 47.7 {{ItemIcon|Whale (Perfect)|whales}} per hour,
* 196.2 Pegasi per hour.
 
As the number of runes is the same, <math>T_m = 8370.</math> <math>T_r = 12876.</math>
 
<math>T_c = 47.7 * 18.875 = 900.3</math>
 
The adjusted time <math>A_{glacia} = T_{all} / D_h = (3600 + 900.3 + 8370 + 12876) / 196.2 = 131.2</math>
 
The overall time is <math>131.2 * 3333 / 3600 = 121.5 \text{ hours}.</math>
|title=Details|color=default}}
 
The overall grind time with this build is 121.5 hours.
 
==Conclusion==
Farm the Pegasi with the Sunset Rapier melee build.
 
If you cannot get the Slayer gear for some reason, then the Ancient Magick build is the second best option because the Glacia is available only after you go through the Air God dungeon where you need all melee DPS you can get.

Latest revision as of 15:19, 19 June 2024

Introduction

Ancient Claw is a melee weapon that does not require late-basegame content to obtain. It is also a component for Infernal Claw.

The Ancient Claw is assembled from the fragments that drop only from Pegasus. On average, 3,333 Pegasi kills are required in order to obtain enough fragments.

The question is when to farm it and what combat style is the best for that. The main point of contention is whether to farm it before or after the

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Volcanic Cave

, as this dungeon is farmed with a

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Melee

build and is vital for idling the

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Air God Dungeon

.

To answer these questions, the following builds will be considered:

These builds were chosen to show the changes that the various drops bring into farming Pegasus.

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Ranged

builds were not considered because the Pegasus is

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Melee

and has the highest evasion against Ranged in addition to the Combat Triangle.

Builds

Each build assumes the following:

  • The ring slot is always occupied with Magical Ring.
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  • Whale (Perfect) is used as the Food of choice because it is considered a middle ground between starting out and being fully levelled in
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    Firemaking    ,
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    Fishing    ,
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    Farming    , and
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    Cooking    .
  • The character is on the
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    Hardcore     game mode with all Combat skills at level 60. This means all builds presented here are suitable regardless of the game mode being played.

Skill levels are given so that these simulations may be replicated using the Combat Simulator add-in.


Fire Wave Magic

Combat stats around level 60.

SlotItemDR%
Helmet Slayer Wizard Hat (Strong)2%
Platebody Slayer Wizard Robes (Strong)2%
Platelegs Fire Expert Wizard Bottoms5%
Boots Fire Expert Wizard Boots5%
Gloves Paladin Gloves4%
Cape Enchanted Cape0%
Amulet Amulet of Magic0%
Ring Magical Ring0%
Weapon Magic Wand (Powerful)0%
Offhand Miolite Shield2%
Total20%

Spell:

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Fire Wave


Prayers:

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Mystic Lore

and

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Mystic Might


Point of Interest: The Academia Arcanum

The average time to obtain all 100 Ancient Claw Fragments with this build is approximately 30 hours. However, note that without Slayer gear this increases to 33 hours.

Sunset Rapier Melee

Combat stats around level 70.

SlotItemDR%
Helmet Slayer Helmet (Strong)2%
Platebody Slayer Platebody (Strong)2%
Platelegs (G) Dragon Platelegs6%
Boots (G) Dragon Boots6%
Gloves Paladin Gloves4%
Cape Fire Cape2%
Amulet Promotion or Glory0%
Ring Magical Ring0%
Weapon Sunset Rapier0%
Offhand (G) Dragon Shield6%
Total28%

Prayers:

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Chivalry

and

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Incredible Reflexes


Point of Interest: Dark Waters

The grind time with this build is approximately 24 hours. Without Slayer gear, this time increases to 26 hours.

Slicing Winds Magic

Combat stats around level 75.

SlotItemDR%
Helmet Ancient Wizard Hat5%
Platebody Ancient Wizard Robes5%
Platelegs Ancient Wizard Bottoms5%
Boots Ancient Wizard Boots5%
Gloves Elementalist Gloves0%
Cape Skull Cape3%
Amulet Elite Amulet of Magic2%
Ring Magical Ring0%
Weapon Magic Wand (Powerful)0%
Offhand Miolite Shield2%
Total27%

Spell:

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Slicing Winds


Aurora:

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Surge II


Prayers:

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Mystic Might

and

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Mystic Mastery


Point of Interest: The Academia Arcanum

Reaching at least 20,000 accuracy is key for this build, as this prevents

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Slicing Winds

from missing. Therefore, while the build only requires a minimum of

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 Level 72

, and at most

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 Level 93

or multiple accuracy bonuses from sources such as:

Worth noting that using a Mystic Air Staff will drastically reduce the amount of runes spent - especially while using Surge Auroras. The staff will be slower, and will require more Food due to the player taking a greater number of hits.

Warning: Swapping Miolite Shield for Book of Eli will not significantly reduce kill times, while also forcing you to spend more runes and therefore more time Runecrafting.

The grind time with this build is approximately 11 hours. Slayer equipment has no impact on the clear speed in this case.

Glacia Magic

Combat stats around level 85.

SlotItemDR%
Helmet Glacia God Helmet8%
Platebody Glacia God Platebody8%
Platelegs Glacia God Platelegs8%
Boots Glacia God Boots8%
Gloves Glacia God Gloves8%
Cape Infernal Cape4%
Amulet Elite Amulet of Magic2%
Ring Magical Ring0%
Weapon Cloudburst Staff0%
Consumable Magic Hinder Scroll0%
Total46%

Spell:

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Water Surge


Curse:

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Anguish III


Aurora:

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Surge II


Prayers:

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Mystic Might

and

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Mystic Mastery


Point of Interest: The Academia Arcanum

Summons:

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Dragon

and

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Witch

Increase the kills per hour by about 1, shortening your grind by 20 minutes if you have

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Dragon

unlocked.

The grind time with this build is approximately 5.5 hours.

However, this build implies that the

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Air God Dungeon

would need to be cleared with Sunset Rapier.


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