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==Analysis== | ==Analysis== | ||
Revision as of 09:50, 24 May 2024
| This page was last updated for (v1.0.5). |
Summary
For the fastest completion time, farm the 
Ancient Claw Fragments with the
build right after you finish
100clears.
Introduction
Ancient Claw is largely the best melee weapon that does not require late-game content to obtain.
The Ancient Claw is assembled from the fragments that drop only from 
Pegasus. On average, 3,333 Pegasi kills are required in order to obtain enough fragments.
The question is when to farm it and what combat style is the best for that. The main point of contention is whether to farm it before or after the
, as this dungeon is farmed with a
build and is vital for idling the
.
To answer these questions, the following builds will be considered:
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Rapier melee,- Error creating thumbnail: File missingSlicing Winds magic,
Glacia magic.
These builds were chosen to show the changes that the various drops bring into farming Pegasus.
builds were not considered because the Pegasus is
and has the highest evasion against Ranged in addition to the Combat Triangle.
Builds
Each build assumes the following:
- The ring slot is always occupied with
Magical Ring. - No prayers, potions, or other buffs are enabled unless specified.
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Whale (Perfect) is used as the Food of choice because it is considered a middle ground between starting out and being fully levelled in Error creating thumbnail: File missingFiremaking,Error creating thumbnail: File missingFishing,Error creating thumbnail: File missingFarming, andError creating thumbnail: File missingCooking.- The character is on the Error creating thumbnail: File missingHardcore game mode with all Combat skills at level 75. This means all builds presented here are suitable regardless of the game mode being played.
Skill levels are given so that these simulations may be replicated using the Combat Simulator add-in.
All intermediate steps can be found in this spreadsheet.
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| Slot | Item | DR% |
|---|---|---|
 |  Slayer Wizard Hat (Strong) | 2% |
 |  Slayer Wizard Robes (Strong) | 2% |
 |  Fire Expert Wizard Bottoms | 5% |
 |  Fire Expert Wizard Boots | 5% |
 |  Paladin Gloves | 4% |
 |  Enchanted Cape | 0% |
 |  Amulet of Magic | 0% |
 |  Magical Ring | 0% |
 |  Magic Wand (Powerful) | 0% |
 |  Miolite Shield | 2% |
| Total | 20% | |
The average time to obtain all 100 Ancient Claw Fragments with this build is 122 hours. However, note that without Slayer gear this can be in excess of 283 hours.
Rapier Melee
| Slot | Item | DR% |
|---|---|---|
|  Slayer Helmet (Strong) | 2% |
|  Slayer Platebody (Strong) | 2% |
|  (G) Dragon Platelegs | 6% |
|  (G) Dragon Boots | 6% |
| Paladin Gloves | 4% |
|  Promotion or  Glory | 0% |
| Magical Ring | 0% |
|  Sunset Rapier | 0% |
|  (G) Dragon Shield | 6% |
| Total | 26% | |
The grind time with this build is 67 hours. Without Slayer gear, this time increases significantly to 142 hours.
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| Slot | Item | DR% |
|---|---|---|
|  Ancient Wizard Hat | 5% |
|  Ancient Wizard Robes | 5% |
|  Ancient Wizard Bottoms | 5% |
|  Ancient Wizard Boots | 5% |
|  Elementalist Gloves | 0% |
|  Skull Cape | 3% |
|  Elite Amulet of Magic | 2% |
| Magical Ring | 0% |
| Magic Wand (Powerful) | 0% |
| Miolite Shield | 2% |
| Total | 27% | |
Reaching at least 20,000 accuracy is key for this build, as this prevents
from missing. Therefore, while the build only requires a minimum of
, and at most
or multiple accuracy bonuses from sources such as:
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or
can be used if you can afford them.
Worth noting that using a 
Mystic Air Staff will drastically reduce the amount of runes spent - especially while using Surge Auroras. The staff will be slower, and will require more Food due to the player taking a greater number of hits.
Warning: Swapping 
Miolite Shield for 
Book of Eli will not significantly reduce kill times, while also forcing you to spend more runes and therefore more time Runecrafting.
The grind time with this build is 48 hours. Slayer equipment has no impact on the clear speed in this case.
Glacia Magic
| Slot | Item | DR% |
|---|---|---|
|  Glacia God Helmet | 8% |
|  Glacia God Platebody | 8% |
|  Glacia God Platelegs | 8% |
|  Glacia God Boots | 8% |
|  Glacia God Gloves | 8% |
|  Infernal Cape | 4% |
| Elite Amulet of Magic | 2% |
| Magical Ring | 0% |
| File:Cloudburst (item).png Cloudburst | 0% |
| Total | 46% | |
The grind time with this build is 6.25 hours.
However, this build implies that the
would need to be cleared with Sunset Rapier.
Analysis
Essentially, we want to know which of two sequences is faster:
- Rapier → Claw → Volcano,
- Rapier → Volcano → Claw.
Full-Sunset Volcano vs Full-Claw Volcano
Let's consider the builds Rapier and Slicing Winds.
The difference between their timings of completing the claw is 19 hours.
The Volcano grind of the full 
ancient set is longer with the with Sunset Rapier than it is with the Claw.
The question is then if the difference between the rapier and the claw in the Volcanic grind is bigger than 19 hours.
We know the length of "Rapier → Claw" and "Volcano → Claw", but we need the data on "Rapier → Volcano" and "Claw → Volcano".
We take this data from Volcanic Cave/Guide#Weapon choice.
| Item | Adjusted clears per hour |
|---|---|
| Sunset Rapier
|
5.204 |
| Ancient Claw
|
5.412 |
The goal of clearing the
is to get the ancient set.
As specified on in the Volcanic Cave/Guide, you need 1350 clears to almost certainly get a full set of Ancient armour or 832 clears to have a 75% chance. The median (50% of results) is 564 clears.
| Item | Adjusted clears per hour | 564 clears (h) | 832 clears (h) | 1350 clears (h) |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sunset Rapier
|
5.204 | 108.4 | 160 | 259.4 |
| Ancient Claw
|
5.412 | 104.2 | 153.7 | 249.5 |
| Difference (h) | 4.2 | 6.3 | 10.1 | |
The biggest difference is 10 hours. It means that Rapier → Volcano → Claw is faster than Rapier → Claw → Volcano by at least 9 hours.
However, what if we were to use the Ancient Magicks as soon as we unlock it?
Sunset/Ancient Volcano vs Claw/Ancient Volcano
It is possible to clear the Volcano using Ancient Magicks with the build from Volcanic Cave/Guide#100-Volcanoes Magic. Pay attention that you need 37% DR with
920to idle it. That amount of DR is reached either through the
prayer or through the 
DR potion II. Without prayer or potions, you need
.
If we consider that we clear only 100 Volcanoes as a melee build and the rest as the 100-Volcanoes Magic build, then we compare the two sequences:
- Claw farm with Rapier + 100 Claw Volcanoes,
- 100 Rapier Volcanoes + Claw farm with Ancient Magicks.
| Item | Adjusted clears per hour | 100 clears (h) |
|---|---|---|
| Sunset Rapier
|
5.204 | 19.22 |
| Ancient Claw
|
5.412 | 18.48 |
| Difference (h) | 0.74 | |
In other words, the advantage of farming 100
with the Ancient Claw when compared to the Sunset Rapier is approximately 45 minutes.
Now we consider the rearranged sum of what we compare:
- Claw farm with Rapier + 100 Claw Volcanoes,
- Claw farm with Slicing Winds + 100 Rapier Volcanoes.
We subtract the second row from the first one and get
[math]\displaystyle{ 19 - 0.74 = 18.26 }[/math]
In other words the sequence where we farm the Claw after the Volcano is faster than the sequence of farming the claw with Rapier by slightly over 18 hours.
Conclusion
Farm the Ancient Claw with the
build right after you finish
100. Don't forget to enable the Surge aurora.
If you cannot use this build for some reason, then use the Rapier melee build with Slayer gear.
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