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Turns out melee outranks the Ancient Magick build by a lot unless I made a huge mistake somewhere. Therefore, the Analysis section is unneeded.
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===Introduction===
===Introduction===
TL;DR - Jump to the Conclusion part if you just want the result.
{{ItemIcon|Ancient Claw}} is largely the best melee weapon that does not require late-game content to obtain.
{{ItemIcon|Ancient Claw}} is largely the best melee weapon that does not require late-game content to obtain.


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The overall grind time with this build is 121.5 hours.
The overall grind time with this build is 121.5 hours.


==Analysis==
==Conclusion==
Essentially, we want to know which of two sequences is faster:
Farm the Pegasi with the Sunset Rapier melee build.  
* Rapier > Claw > Volcano,
* Rapier > Volcano > Claw.
 
====Full-Sunset Volcano vs Full-Claw Volcano====
Let's consider the Sunset Rapier and Glacia builds.
 
The difference between their timings of completing the {{ItemIcon|Ancient Claw|claw}} is 27 hours.
 
The Volcano grind of the full {{ItemIcon|(G) Ancient Helmet|ancient}} set is longer with the with {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier}} than it is with the Claw.
 
The question is then if the difference between the {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier|rapier}} and the {{ItemIcon|Ancient Claw|claw}} in the Volcanic grind is bigger than 27 hours.
 
We know the length of "Raper > Claw" and "Volcano > Claw", but we need the data on "Rapier > Volcano" and "Claw > Volcano".
 
We take this data from [[Volcanic Cave/Guide#Weapon choice]].
 
{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Item
! Adjusted clear time (s)
|-
| {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier}}
| 1892
|-
| {{ItemIcon|Ancient Claw}}
| 1717
|}
 
The goal of clearing the {{ZoneIcon|Volcanic Cave}} is to get the {{ItemIcon|(G) Ancient Helmet|ancient}} set.
 
As specified on in the [[Volcanic Cave/Guide]], you need 1350 clears to almost certainly get a full set of Ancient armor or 832 clears to have a 75% chance. The median (50% or results) is 564 clears.
 
{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Item
! Adjusted clear time (clears/h)
! 564 clears (h)
! 832 clears (h)
! 1350 clears (h)
|-
| {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier}}
| 1.9027
| 296.4
| 437
| 710
|-
| {{ItemIcon|Ancient Claw}}
| 2.0967
| 267
| 397
| 644
|-
| Difference (h)
|
| 29
| 40
| 66
|}
 
As you see from the Difference row, even the 50% chance still gives the 4-hour advantage if you get the Claw before the Volcanic Cave.
 
Therefore, if you farm the Volcanic Cave completely with the {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier}} and then farm the Claw with Glacia, the sum of the Volcanic and Claw farm will be larger than if you were to farm the Claw with the Rapier and then doing the Volcanic Cave. And we didn't even consider the time loss of doing the {{ZoneIcon|Air God Dungeon}} with the Rapier instead of the Claw.
 
However, what if we were to use the [[Ancient Magicks]] as soon as we unlock it?
 
====Sunset/Ancient Volcano vs Claw/Ancient Volcano====
It is possible to clear the Volcano using the Ancient Magicks with the build from [[Volcanic Cave/Guide#100-Volcanoes Magic]]. Pay attention that you need 37% DR with {{Skill|Hitpoints|qty=920|HP}} to idle it. That amount of DR is reached either through the {{Icon|Stone Skin|type=prayer}} prayer or through the {{ItemIcon|Damage Reduction Potion II|DR potion II}}.
 
If we consider that we clear only 100 Volcanoes as a melee build and the rest as the [[Volcanic Cave/Guide#100-Volcanoes Magic|100-Volcanoes]] Magic build, then we compare the two sequences:
 
* Claw farm with Rapier + 100 Claw Volcanoes,
* 100 Rapier Volcanoes + Claw farm with Ancient Magicks.
 
{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Item
! Adjusted clear time (clears/h)
! 100 clears (h)
|-
| {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier}}
| 1.9027
| 52.56
|-
| {{ItemIcon|Ancient Claw}}
| 2.0967
| 47.69
|-
| Difference (h)
|
| 4.87
|}
 
In other words, the advantage of farming 100 Volcanic Caves with the Claw when compared to the Sunset Rapier is less than 5 hours.
 
If we consider the rearranged sum of what we compare
 
* Claw farm with Rapier + 100 Claw Volcanoes,
* Claw farm with Ancient Magicks + 100 Rapier Volcanoes.
 
and then subtract the second row from the first one, then we would get
 
<math>27 - 4.87 = 22.13</math>
 
In other words the sequence where we farm the Claw after the Volcano is faster than the sequence of farming the claw with Rapier by 22 hours.
 
== Conclusion ==
Check in the [[Combat Simulator]] how to get 20k accuracy for {{Icon|Slicing Winds|type=spell}}.<br>
Clear the {{ZoneIcon|Volcanic Cave}} 100 times with {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier}}, then farm the {{ItemIcon|Ancient Claw}} with Ancient Magicks, and do the rest of the Volcanic clears either with the [[Volcanic Cave/Guide#100-Volcanoes Magic|Ancient Magicks build]] or with the Claw melee.
 


If you can't get 20k accuracy for {{Icon|Slicing Winds|type=spell}} in a reasonable timeframe, then it might be a good idea to farm the {{ItemIcon|Ancient Claw}} with the {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier}} first and then clear the Volcano with the Claw.
If you cannot get the Slayer gear for some reason, then the Ancient Magick build is the second best option because the Glacia is available only after you go through the Air God dungeon where you need all melee DPS you can get.
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